Top List / Webring

How to transform a forum into a Top List?!

simple: One forum per theme, each new thread is an entry, posted by the site owner, with title, url, desc.

visitors click the link to the url, and that hit is counted. same for the opposite, as the site owner can put a tag on his site to let his visitors vote to the site…: the vote link redirect to our toplist and a specific field will count the pro/con votes. people can even have permission to post comments if permission « can reply to others threads » is active…

we are not using the actual vB rate-thread engine because guests can not vote AND because on TopList we usually let visitors vote once per X days. but this can be using the rate-thread engine anyway, just putting the result in a specific field.

Details: difference with other TopList?!…

– we can change the threadbit display to show really a toplist, this is easy. you can also have a specific theme for each toplist by applying a theme for each forum you transform… no code needed

– we can have moderated entries without having to code a system. no code needed

– we can force people to register to vote. no code needed

– your forum can easily be hosting as much sub-forums that will become independant toplists. no code needed

… a lot can be done.

what i think is a Bundle, with Toplist, Webring, and Links Directory, Sites Reviews *(like all these CSS Galeries!)

importing to MTF…

ok, i have good way to test the future « import » scripts we will have. i install a lot of addons to a parenting site i’m building, like Lionel’ tools, Classifieds, Photopost Reviews etc…

so when we are ready with a similar product, let’s say we code a Product Reviews engine, we will have to produce some import script available to all new clients, so they can import their Photopost Reviews content in the forum MTF!…

let’s pretend that the main feature of these imports is to keep the actual structure of their engine, Photopost Reviews have categories, we can set a _import forum (hidden at first, viewable by admin) where all these categories will be recreated as sub-forums and the content posted as new threads…

if we do the same for all our imports, the bridge will be easy to write for all… instead of craping the way ImpEx is built.

the imports will have to be from existing vBulletin products first, and if someone have an external software to plugin, it will become a paid job for sure… we need to make money someway! (100% salary to the coder who write the import for first client, and then we see for distro)

what do you think of this?

Third Party Forum Types?

Ok i was thinking about it and say some developers wanted to create there own forum types for MTF, what policy would we have on that? Would we ban it all together? Would we have like an forum type « store » (like apples app store) where people can upload there custom forum types but we can accept/deny them? (and of course we get a x% commission ;))

Releases Engine Idea

I was thinking about the releases engine (seeing as it will probably be the largest, code wise, addon) and I thought of an idea for payment splitting: We have a new manager where you can add/edit different « splitting » percentages, give them a name and in the forum manager you can select that splitting scenario. A splitting scenario can have as many users as you want, you just set the percentages for each (and obviously on all there will be a dynamic field that controls the thread authors percentages).

For example when you add a new splitting scenario you would first be prompted for the number of users who are having the payment split (including the thread author) then they are brought to a new page with a field for the userid who would receive some of the payment (not for dynamic field) and a field of percentage.

btw when i say payment i mean the profit from the release, if it’s paid.

Multi-Type: Answers.yahoo Integration

inspired by my usage and coding of ico-content, i decided that ico was far from being useful because it was slow, retrieving content in a total anarchy, and was not really organic.

so once MTF is ready to roll, i’ll be coding a complete version of the new BOSS engine from Yahoo: Yahoo! Search BOSS – YDN

giving the ability to grab answers.yahoo.com content and create virtual life on your forum, per-forum, per-keywords, per-quota, per-organic feeding… you can have information on how Answers content is available here: Yahoo! Answers – YDN

when you use this system, your goals are:

1- fill my forum with related content
2- create a virtual life by having new members registering randomly and start posting
3- avoiding « Paid to Post » services which can be costly at the end, as they stop posting, and your forum looks lifeless
4- members can contribute to the discussions without nobody noticing the difference between members and virtual ones.

… this can even be used to fool a future buyer for your site, if you want to show it completely filled with numerous users. we’re not stupid, we’ve seen this a lot, so why hide. yes it work, and no we will not control you from doing that.

… some sites are using Answers.yahoo.com content to make some sort of Knowledge base on their forum, and it is a good way to have inspiration for content and group of discussions…

anyway, it’s a project planned for the end of spring.

some words about GYSN, resumed from a pm with PixelFX

3 days ago, i had a chat with Robert, because he was stressed out about the guys at vbTeam who are stealing his stuff… he also think that i am involved in the GYSN stuff, so here is what i posted him:

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first, i’m not involved in vbteam at all… actually i’m doing the opposite. each time someone release a tool from one of my friends, i contact these friends and report the hacker, and most of the time, the problematic purchaser is tracked… have been done for vbSEO and Gio’s stuff last week. i hate releasers, but i had to find a solution, so instead of tracking the guys who are at level one, the real hackers who crack the systems, i decided to make a deal with them…

that deal is simple. i talked with the guys of GYSN and vbTeam, and made sure that they would not crack my official releases, but instead would spread the special version i give to them, nulled by me. that way, the kids who use the nulled versions have the official version, and the crackers have nothing to trace… they don’t know how to crack the official version because they don’t have to… and they do not have to use a false credit card to purchase any version, because they have them… i’m not fooled with bad credit cards either, so i don’t loose a penny.

the reason why i do that?

1- i don’t loose money from crackers who use false credit cards on my paypal, so my reputation on paypal is clean

2- no cracker is interested to look at my challenging licensing code, so my work is safe for a longer period

3- there is not enough nulled-users to be stressed about. for the possible 5000 clients for a script, about 100 are using a nulled forum. they will fade anyway, or purchase an official version as they will require support because they love the script so much

4- 95% of what GYSN crack is actually released for free on vb.org and is not encrypted. they had to purchase a dev-key version of vbSEO to release a cracked version of the encrypted one in the past… but all the encrypted versions are released crypted, like Lionel’s stuff, and yours.

i even got a deal with them so they « beta-test » my versions… i do not have to pay for coders that test my site, they are doing it for free, and with more interests than the guys at vb.org would even have… they are supporting my upgrade, they check my codes for error of performances, they test on amazingly big forums so i can see the impact, and they provide feedback instead of whinning. and some of these guys are better coders than me, so they offer suggestions and debugs.

it’s a win-win situation because i would have to pay way more for real coders to test for me or even code for me than the licenses i do not sell due to the nulled stuff… the guys i work with right now are costly like hell… not the vbTeam guys…

these guys are not interested to know the impact on your life, they are just interested to results. if you do not contact them to ask them to cease their cracking on your scripts, they will not care about the cash you loose, because you just hate them. the only possible thing to do is to contact them like if they were friends… sometimes it works.

for vbtracker etc, sure you loose some clients because they take it for free, but remember that these 95 downloads are from kids with no money, they would not buy the official version anyway. they can only spread the words that it work and is perfect for their need, so the only thing it does for you is some free advertising… remember that google and yahoo are indexing these sites too… put some real xhtml tags in your templates that would key-point to your own keywords.

to make my story short, in the last 5 years i worked with vBulletin, i lost more than 50K$ in scam and crackers… make anybody ask why continue, hey… my last event, a moron from the UK who wanted to protect one of his friend’s reputation, sued me for copyright infrigement… he only forgot one detail… his friend, before dying, gave me the entire ownership of his suite of hacks… so i had to follow the entire process of a lawsuit, paying for a good advocate etc, and that cost me 5000$ to show to the entire world that i’m the most responsible developer on the market. that even made me rethink the opening of vbenhancer.com, because the goal of that site was to support unsupported hacks that i take-over, but also being the first serious coders directory and provider. last month, a friend of mine told me to re-open the site… i thought of it for 2 weeks… that is now the time to do it.

i have the best advertisment program possible, i have the best reputation to spread over the net, i have a network of contact that could make Obama really proud of… and i do it alone, because everybody else is afraid to be locked down by Jelsoft… my goal is the opposite, i want IB to buy that project in 6 or 12 months… with a M in the price. i know where it goes, it will be ok, may be fun too, but mainly i will have a lot of friends visiting in the next weeks.

now, what do we do, you have hard time finding clients for your scripts, you said it earlier:

Robert PixelFX wrote:
We’ve barely had any sales from vbtracker pro

… because you’re outside the realm of Jelsoft and also because you are hard to reach. vbtracker is not for everybody, it needs a development site to have a use for it. the guys who download it on vbteam have no need for it, they want to see what it is.

we actually have a similar tracker planned for our flagship called MTF… as a addon to a core engine, released in a package with a project planner, a members area, a releases engine *(no licensing manager though)… it’s not to compete your own tool, but we have different goals as a team of 20… the goal is to have a basic engine for all, and a pluggability letting a good coder the possibility to code an amazing extension for a wealthy client… anyway, everything will be explained on my site next week, because the MTF dev-key will be available for any good coders like John… smile.gif

ok, anyway, did i answer your questions? i always talk too much!

We have to evaluate the market now…

Ok, let’s see if we can get everybody’s ideas about our future clients:

1- they are ready to pay for products that are supported
2- they are not teenagers with no budget
3- they can have master forums with more than 5000 active users
4- they display commercial content, not related to googleAds etc
5- they have roadmaps for the development of their site
6- they are ready to pay more to keep their privacy (adult sites etc)
7- …